Scotts i have a real old copy of the "Machinery's Handbook" that i picked up at a yard sale. You might be right think i will go down to the tech bookstore here in town i was told about and will check out see what's in the new version

Thanks for the idea
Hiya HuFlungDung
Cnc grinder is a idea... Will have to look into that some more. I can check out there manuals online that's a very good idea
Thanks guys for the help at least i have somthing to try i was almost going to give up and just go back to what i was doing befor