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Old 07-09-2008, 05:10 PM
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Good day,

I am the Canadian distributor for Syil in Canada.

i would like to post my personal x4 experiences, we are carrying the x4+ (the yellow one), i have tried to replicate some of the issues that you are having with the x4. I am assuming that you have the x4 (the blue one), as i have not been able to replicate the same problems.
As the Canadian distributor we make sure to test all machines prior to send them out to the customer, during this process we even have caught a few complications. which as the distributor our problem to solve not the customers, I am unsure why you would have to assemble the machine, as it should have been fairly plug and play.
As of current with the x4+ we are cutting titanium, stainless, and aluminum. I have not experienced any of the same problems, but you pictures that you posted defiantly show a big problem. Through my experienced with being the syil distributor we have encounter as similar problem, the problem we discovered was in mach3.
Here is the story, as eager distributors’ when our first shipment arrived we were very excited to set up our x3+. We wanted everything to be perfect, so i went out and bought a kickin computer, huge ram, huge processer, and running windows XP. I hooked the mill to the computer and attempted to do some basic cuts, things went south in a quick hurry “literally”.
I found that i was having a hard time moving both axis at the same , it was also making un programmed movements?? The First thing i tried was checking the gibbs to see if he were way to tight, they were good. Then i checked the ball screws, they were also good. Checked the mach3 config file, there was a few quarks, but it was fine.
I then checked the serial cable, it was fine. I as a last resort i checked the parallel card, it was also functioning properly????
The only thing left was the x3+ its self, i ripped apart the machine and started replacing parts, i turned on the machine and attempted the same cuts. Unfortunately the same thing happened!!!!!
I went home to bed “very frustrated” i awoke in the middle of the night and thought “the computer”, so I stopped on the way to work and picked up a $350.00 acer desktop computer. I swapped out the computers and presto, it worked. This same machine has now 1000+ hrs of machine time on it?

So what was the problem? the processer!
I found out the hard way that mach 3 does not like 64bit processor; this was later confirmed to me at the mach3 convention in Knoxville. Believe it or not mach3 does not also like laptop computers; the serial port on al laptop is not always capable of constantly outputting the proper voltage signal.

After that i suggest to all of my clients not to use 64bit computers, all of my machines now run 32 bit processors. As i was told that the “Syil cnc will only do what they are told to do by the computer”. Any e stop functions are on the pin config controlled by the computer, it the computer is too busy doing different processes it can take a few seconds to register.
All of my computers are stripped bare of all non essential software and are not hooked to the internet. I learnt the hard way turn off the automatic windows updater, i was running a program that i had run a hundred times before, the windows updated screen popped up and my machine crashed hard!

If you are finding that the spindle speed is incorrect, this can be adjusted in mach3, this is done by
CONFIG menu>
Spindle pulleys
You will see a spot that the ratio can be adjusted, it is usually set to (1) try playing with number (ie).997 ect. This number can be changed up or down, and with some playing you can have mach3 and the machine aligned with the same rpm number.

I am not sure how you program, as everyone does it different, so pardon me if i state the obvious. When i am running a program i will use a g28 to sent all axis home to its switches, i find that this keeps the repeatability of my parts accurate. As the machine will only know where the part is based on the work piece coordinates (g54) it does this by knowing how far it is from its switches. I will also in mach3 click the machine coordinates button , and REF ALL AXIS button. I do this when i start up the machine every time.
In regards to tool chatter, i am unsure whether you are working in mm or inches, my calculations, in mild steel, would be,
4 Flute .250 (hss) endmill = 3.11 imp or 79 mm. @ a rpm of 1390
Or
2 flute.250 (hss) endmill = 1.56 imp or 39.36 mm @ a rpm of 1390

A super handy tool for these calculations can be found @ http://www.cnczone.com.com/autonc.htm it is a free program and the machinist calculator is great.

I hope that this will help you, if you have any other questions feel free to email me @ keith@syil.ca + I can send our imperial .xml file (sorry no metric)


keith
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