[Geof]

I will second everything fizzizzist writes. I think he only got there before because he is in a different time zone. Why did the Bali Conference take place in Bali? Because it was a big boondoggle; you are not in cloud cuckoo land, anyone who thinks these conferences are serious is. Although they do have a serious side; a potential for serious harm. They create the idea that a problem exists, it may it may not, and they create the idea that humans can do something about, indeed must do something about it. And I think my thread starting post shows the futility in that. We have to adapt.