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Old 01-25-2007, 11:42 AM
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John,
Sorry, but I have to correct you on a few points....

1) The word 'crap' is a euphemism, but I understand it's choice due to the political correctness requirements of the forum

2) He states "..every scientist on the planet..". Yes, it's a 'non-truth', but to be more accurate, it's an example of an absolutely ridiculous claim. Dr. Naomi Oreskes, Professor of History and Science Studies at UCSD was the one who initiated the idea that 1000 scientists are in consensus, and Dr. Benny Pieser promptly ripped the claim apart.

Of the 200 or so 'scientists' who's work comprise the IPCC's TAR, only about 33 are actually climate scientists. (ref: Dr. Patrick Michaels, research professor of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia)

His claim is flat out ignorant and not researched AT ALL!

3) You're letting him off the hook on the "highly questionable research" statement.
We need only look at Mann's Hockey Stick (MBH98) and the subsequent battle between he and Stephen McIntyre & Ross McKitrick. Here's a perfect example of the LACK of scientific consensus, and questionable research on the part of the PRO-AGW camp!!

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/200...GL021750.shtml

Dr. Stephen Schneider of Stanford, who brought us the scare of an impending ice age back in the early '70s is now taking the side of Mann et. al. and exaggerating the claims of impending global warming doom....exaggerating by his own admission!!

"To capture the public imagination,
we have to offer up some scary scenarios,
make simplified dramatic statements
and little mention of any doubts one might have.
Each of us has to decide the right balance
between being effective,
and being honest."

- Leading greenhouse advocate, Dr Stephen Schneider
( in interview for "Discover" magagzine, Oct 1989)

I hope I haven't been too harsh on you John, I know you have good intentions. But sometimes you just gotta take these idiots to the woodshed.

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“There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50
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