Thanks Steve,
I will look into the training and support issues you bring up, you are right there it don't make a hole lot of sense to get demos if i don't know how to use them....

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I have used the gibbs 2d mill and lathe, I did not have any training on that and i picked it up ok with no training and the place i was running at the time had no one who even new how to turn it on!so they were no help! but the gibbs books were.(i am sure it had lots of features i did not even know about thou).
Earlier when i said i need to go to the gibbs guy it was not because they don't what to make a sale(These guys are actually really good guys bought all my equipment from them so far) but so they could give me a demo of it, they said i could bring a 3d file or they would have one and we could go through programming it together to see how it works. Because they said gibbs does not offer a demo version so they really could not show me much here.
I am not i a big hurry probablly won't be buying for around 6 months only been i buiss. for 1yr. so still having them start up cash flow problems. So I have time to check out both software's....Thanks again,.......